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Aliveness, Alignment, and the Art of Speaking that Moves People & Shapes Culture – with Thea May

• Betty Cottam Bertels • Season 3 • Episode 3

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Your voice can do more than inform—it can restore connection, shift culture, and move systems when it’s rooted in the body. Today I sit down with voice coach and spoken word artist Thea May to explore how “speaking as energy” replaces performance with presence and turns every conversation into an act of care. If you’ve ever felt yourself listing credentials, freezing at “what do you do,” or leaving a meeting strangely depleted, this one offers a new path: align your gut, heart, and head and let aliveness lead.

We dig into the difference between inert and alive exchanges, how to spark curiosity by answering “what” with “why,” and why ethics must shape who and what we amplify. Thea shares her journey from theatre training and corporate coaching to soul-led speaking, and she draws a firm line against “looking like you care” when you don’t. Expect practical tools alongside real talk on worthiness, boundaries between coaching and therapy, and how sensitivity becomes a superpower when you stay congruent. 

PLUS! Thea guides us in a gut‑heart‑head alignment practice you can try on the spot, designed to help your body gift words to your mouth.

From campfire conversations to boardrooms and community halls, we explore how to hold charged topics—climate, war, justice—without shutting down. 

We introduce Rising Tide, Thea’s four‑week program for change makers ready to speak with integrity, and the Speaking Salons, a donation-based conversation club for people who give a damn. If you’ve been waiting to feel “ready,” here’s your invitation: your body already knows. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs this, and leave a review to help more voices speak truer.


Find Thea at: https://www.workingwithvoice.com/

Find All Thea's Upcoming Events here: https://lu.ma/workingwithvoice


From Betty: Being in business means being visible. Being ethical in business means not using dodgy tactics, of course, but also being authentic in how we present ourselves ~~

The trouble is… Many of us carry wounds around being seen, accepted, and celebrated as the individual we are.

Left untended, these wounds divide our will, i.e. we end up with conflicted desires:

Part of us wants to be visible to grow our businesses, but another part of us is absolutely dead set on staying well and truly within the shadows… Because that's where it's SAFE.

…whether that means literally hiding under the duvet (I've been there 🥸),

...mega procrastination & self sabotage

…or pretending to be someone we are not, so as not to stand out (I've also been there 🤫).

The push & pull can be utterly EXHAUSTING.

But the good news is, it's relatively quick & easy to fix, once you access the level of the subconscious mind, using a modality such as hypnosis.

Download my free 2 hour workshop, and I'll teach you how you can set yourself free from past hurts, and leap confidently in the direction of your dreams.


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SPEAKER_01:

Every human being, we're so our bodies are so intelligent, so intelligent. And they notice the energetic changes. Whether you're registering it or not, we notice the energetic shifts. We notice when someone is there or is not there. And it doesn't matter how numb you've become, on some level, your being will register that. And what I love about bringing aliveness to speaking is we bring aliveness to our interactions. And it it's actually a way of honoring each other when we interact.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Quiet way of just honouring each other. I see you. You're worthy of presence. You are always worthy of presence.

SPEAKER_06:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And you will always be worthy of presence. Yes. And there's something so deep in offering that to somebody that at the bare minimum you will offer somebody your presence and your energy, even if they can't meet you there. But you will be an invitation to presence in the world. And I think that ripple effect is humongous.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm your host Betty Cotton Bertels, blues singer, Buddhist, Mum of Two, and former global shoestring adventurer, turned hypnotherapist and mindset coach. I believe that by healing our past and changing our beliefs, we may achieve not only the external successes, the house, the relationship, the money, the impact, but also internal success, the ability to actually enjoy our lives. Because it's the joy and happiness that makes it all worthwhile. Join me as I invite friends, colleagues, and esteemed teachers to discuss means of enhancing enjoyment in our lives, following our inspiration as individuals to create whatever it is that lights us up, so that we might radiate that energy out into the world via our businesses or our day-to-day lives with the intention that all beings may benefit. I believe that this is where true wealth lies. Welcome to the show. Today's guest is Thea May, who is uh a really amazing woman. Um, she's a voice coach and speaking expert. I connected with Thea at Summer Camp, the happy startup summer camp, which honestly, if you've been listening to the podcast for any amount of time, you will have heard me talk about because it is just such a fabulous event. And I was there last month in September for the second time, and that's where I connected with Thea in the sauna, as you'll hear. Um, and I we had a great time talking about, you know, motherhood and our work. And um, I also went to her workshop, which was all about speaking flow. Um, and it was really, really interesting workshop about using archetypes or archetypal energies to bring out different aspects of your voice and your speaking to support you. It was really, really amazing. I really recommend her. Um, she's she's also a spoken word um poet, and yeah, she has a really beautiful presence, and I think you're going to love her. I really enjoyed this conversation. My goodness. It's so funny when time just flies, and this tends to happen most times. I sit down with people. Um yeah, and it was it was the same on this occasion. We just had a brilliant time, and then I asked her to spontaneously, I just asked her if she'd give us an example of one of her speaking flow guided meditations. And she agreed. So at the end, you'll hear her um offering one of her meditations to help you to tap into your power and to really get into alignment, which I think and she thinks and says is is vital really when you're speaking. You know, you need to be speaking from all parts of your body. Um, and this conversation, oh, this conversation was just so juicy and rich. I enjoyed it so much. You know, we really talked about what makes an engaging speaker. Or um she meant she also talks about how to introduce yourself without the cringe. You know, what do you do? You know, if you're somebody who freezes when somebody asks you what you do, she she gives you a really great tip and gave me also a really great tip for how to do that once you've um connected in with your own uh your body's wisdom and connected to to your personal power. All right, get this. Speaking up is how we change everything. There's a shift happening, you can feel it in your bones. The old ways of communicating, performing, posturing, pleasing are cracking. Speaking flow has always been in service to something greater, a new way of communicating that is rooted in alignment and moral clarity, centered in the body and its embodied wisdom, grounded in dismantling harmful systems, oriented towards co-shaping a just and caring future. It's no longer about polishing our pitch, it's about speaking from power, not for it. That's beautiful, isn't it? It carries on to influence with integrity, to stir hearts and move systems towards liberator, ethical, sustainable, and kinder ways of being together. The shift manifesto is a rally cry for cultural change, a short fire starter read for people who know we don't need to speak louder, we need to speak truer. That's it. That's her manifesto. It it gives me goosebumps. I feel it as true, I know this as true. It's so important that we learn to speak from power, from our power. And this work is so aligned with my own work, you know, my work being about how do we remove our obstacles to our own personal power, how do we remove our blocks to our power? And here's Thea talking about okay, also about tapping into the power, um, and then really speaking from that place. Oh, it gives me goosebumps. I'm so excited. Okay, enjoy the conversation. I certainly, certainly did. Well, this is very exciting. Hello and welcome to the podcast, Thea.

SPEAKER_01:

Hi, Betty. Hi, thank you so much for having me on your podcast. I loved um that little moment when that invitation happened in the sauna. And um, yeah, thank you for having me here.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, such a pleasure. No, really good. Um, so the sauna that Thea's talking about is the sauna in at the Happy Startup summer camp, which we met at. And we you were there last year as well, Thea, weren't you? So we I think I we we never really kind of landed together last year, but this time we were in the sauna together and in various places together, and it was beautiful. I remember having such lovely conversations, which is the beauty of summer camp, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely, the richness of conversations. I feel like I long for that most of the year round and get little like tastes of it all year round, but then you get to summer camp and you're suddenly in like a bath of rich conversations, like relaxing, soaking feeling being in this uh like drenched in rich, enlivening and nourishing conversations for two and a half days that kind of yeah, just rolls on for the rest of the year. It's just wonderful, it's very special.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it is really, really special. Um, I mean, for people, seeing as we've jumped straight into summer camp, I feel like maybe we give a bit of context for people who um don't know what we're talking about. Obviously, we've just said there's lots of wonderful conversations, um, and there's a sauna. And you were speaking there this year and giving a workshop. So, Thea, how was I mean, do you want to explain what that was like for you? And and maybe like how did you what's your experience of it like, been like coming to Summer Camp? And um yeah, uh how it was for you maybe this year?

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. Um, so for those of you who don't know already, Summer Camp is a gathering of 150 people.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

People, I think, um, in a field in the south coast in England, and um mostly purpose-led people, not all entrepreneurs, but everyone's either at some different stage of their purpose connection, um, but seeking it regardless. Um, and so that's the sort of spirit of the event of being leaning into discovering, deepening, or offering from your purpose, and that's a wonderful energy in the group. And interestingly, last year was the first year I went. In fact, I'm gonna wind back a tiny bit. Yeah, too. Yeah, I have a three-year-old boy, and when I was pregnant, I was delivering the biggest, boldest iteration of my work that I'd ever done. It was a six-month programme while I grew my baby, so I was like birthing my work in the world, and then birthing, and then when it finished, and within a month I gave birth, so I gave as well. It was absolutely wild, it felt so cosmic and serendipitous and aligned, and there are no coincidences. So um it was phenomenal. And then while I was pregnant delivering the programme, I clocked summer camp and I was like, that I'm gonna go to that. When I finish doing this birthing thing, I'm gonna go to that. I just it was like a calling card for me. It had a frequency that just went like, go here. And so you know, I've I'm I marked it for later, right? Yeah, and then um, first year of motherhood, if for anyone who's ever done it, um anyone I've ever spoken to has been like, yeah, you don't manage anything you think you're gonna get to when it's motherhood at all. Um so then the second year came around and I started to gain some capacity, and the pitch, the pitch invitation came out, and so I was like, Where's that thing? I'm gonna pitch it. I've got capacity. I'm still breastfeeding, I don't know how I'm gonna get there. I can't take him with me. Work towards finishing breastfeeding, he'll be just turned two years old. Let's do that. Okay, so I talked to my husband and we're like, Can we do can I do this? Can we work towards this so that I can be there? It's gonna be away for four days, quite big ask, you know. At that time, that was the first time we'd really planned to be away for that long. And um, so it's quite a big deal when you're still breastfeeding, and then you're too old. Yeah, you know, so you know, everyone everyone's journey is different and everyone's timeline is different. But um, I chose I wanted to breastfeed for two years and I was doing. So I put my pitch in and got a yes, and um that was amazing. And I pitched to run um uh introducing yourself, cringe-free introductions using speaking flow, which is um joy and love as your energy for introducing yourself around your work, and it can gives you a completely different doorway. So that's what I that's the work I shared. And um, but at the time when I was there, my um my mum is young onset dementia diagnosed and is in the early stages of that, and I was I really struggled to be present last year because I was so overwhelmed with grief, as though there was like a stage shift and lots of things changing, and the sort of realization of where we were at, and so I turned up there also the second time ever I'd been away from my son. Um, so it was like I was so swollen with emotion and grief and lots of things, like yeah, it was I was struggling to be present, um, and yet it still held all of that, and I just thought that was so amazing, like even though and the workshop went brilliantly, and like people had an amazing time, and I was so um grateful and um enlivened by the way that people received this work that I'd been continuing since I gave birth, it's sort of ticking over in the background and was in the sort of next iteration of it, and it's you know, it really is not the work I was trained in, it's the work that's evolved as I've done it for over 15 years, it's now my piece, and um to just see it land with people was so uh validating as well, you know, just re-emerging from motherhood. Can I do this work on my own in this way without as a mother now? Like everything's changed. Um, it was the first time I'd delivered something in person since I'd become a mum, so it was massive stuff, and uh Summer Camp just held all of that, and I didn't have to hold it in the background. I could I could be with it and people, I could open up to people about that, and then these rich conversations would happen. So, like all of the fact that I could talk about who I am as a professional and who I am as a new mother, and then who I am as a grieving daughter, like was all in the same soup and welcomed and held, and uh everyone else shares their where they're at, their stories, their current griefs and challenges and nuances and soul snagging, and you know, it's just so it's so rare to be in an environment that can hold all of that where you can be your professional self and your is there isn't the split.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

There isn't the split, right? That was and it was great because I was like, I knew it, I felt the problem, put my pitch in, the work was a good fit to those people, and it is as good as I thought it was. Yeah, fantastic. Oh, I'm so happy to know about this event and to be part of it, and it's just thank you, universe. Um uh I heard you and I'm grateful.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, beautiful. And do you know what you just said seems for me, having just been looking at your website, I feel like it is I mean, it it's clear from how you are and how you present yourself that why it's a fit, because it seems to me that you know w um where do I want to go with this? Um and I was in your workshop at Summer Camp, I and I loved it. And what I what I get from you at a very zoomed out level is just like to bring, you know, what to just be present, to bring all of ourselves and kind of it's about authenticity, isn't it? It's like that's what you are, I think, bringing, you know, what you're what you're helping and guiding people in doing, like bringing, I don't know about all parts of yourself, but just yeah, I don't know, speak to that. You tell us.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh wholeness is the word that's um use. So it's not like it's slightly different from all of yourselves, warts and all, right? Right. Because um there are times and places for that, but I mostly work with people within their professional spheres around their most meaningful work, so they might not want to bring warts and all to an investment conversation, yeah, and that's appropriate that's not helpful around that. So that's good. Um however, it's more um an energetic wholeness of what fires you up and what why does that fire you up? So that's because of the accumulation of all of your life experiences, because of all of your sensitivities and sensibilities and interests, all of these stitch together to make the patchwork of you that is enlivened by certain things, and so that energy in your body, which is aliveness, shows up and nudges you. It nudged me when I saw the summer camp, and I was like, mmm, I want to go there, that's a perfect fit. We're gonna be good friends, and that was aliveness, that was my aliveness based on my tapestry of life, talking to me and driving me. Right, and it's the aliveness that nudged me in my work when I trained to teach voice and speech to actors. I went into the theatre world and was like, nah, mate, this is not for me. It's not what felt I don't care enough about theatre. I don't care, it's not interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Went into the business world, did that for a long time, nearly 10 years, yeah, seven or eight years before I shifted a bit. Cutting my teeth on like presentation skills, public speaking, doing meetings, sharing your thoughts, being succinct, like all of that stuff. Confidence work, basically, which was very well wonderful. I loved it, and a lovely thing to give people, but then I got bored. I was like, confidence is cool and all, but this person I'm working with today just wants to get a promotion for a job they hate. I don't very enlivening to me that anymore. Like, what to what end? Confidence to what end? Right, you know, speaking power is a power, right? It's a force, it's a phenomenal um capacity to have influence in the world, and so I'm like, I've got the skill set that is basically putting an incredible tool in the world, done done well. So who am I willing to give that to? Who do I want to work with and give voice to? What voices do I want to raise in the world with my skill set? Because that's my service, that's my alignment in this lifetime. And so then I noticed there were people who came into my coaching studio who were lit up from the inside out by what they wanted to say. It mattered to them. It was scary for them to say out loud, or it had consequences, or it had braveness, and braveness was needed to say these things. It it it stacked with their integrity, with their belief system, with their values, with who they were as a person, with the impact they an imprint they want to leave in the world. You know, that it stacked, and it was like as soon as they were hooked into that, I didn't need to do any voice work anymore. Don't tell anyone because they started doing voice work and started doing soul voice work. Right. But um, and it became soul-led speaking, which is now sort of speaking flow, which is all that's my approach, is speaking flow, um, rather than speaking as skill, it's speaking as energy.

SPEAKER_03:

Ooh, speaking as energy, beautiful. Um, I'm gonna just write that down because I want to come back to that.

SPEAKER_01:

Um so yeah, I I um I have slightly forgotten the question that you asked at the beginning. Me too. Yeah, it was um authenticity. So, yes, authenticity, but I think authenticity, um it it's like adding richness to what that word could mean, but doesn't always have the power in the word.

SPEAKER_06:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you know what I mean? It's like an overused word, and you see it in in very corporate spaces where you don't feel the authenticity, there isn't a congruence between behaviour and culture and um policy, for example. Yes, so it's inauthentic actually, yeah, and incongruent. Yeah, exactly. So um I'm careful about using the word authentic in my work. I've come back to presence, which is a word I also avoided for years because it got overused. Um so I move around different words. I've now I'm currently my favourite one is aliveness.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01:

Aliveness and alignment are the two words I'm rolling around in at the moment.

SPEAKER_03:

Hmm. Good words to be rolling in. I love that. Um what I I've written down something from, I've written a few things down on my little notebook here from your website. Um one of them you just spoke to, but I'll read it anyway, which is well you were you were getting at is speaking power has been concentrated for too long in harmful and extractive systems. Yeah. Which it like hit me reading that because I know it to be true, and what you're saying is if you have this incredible, well, you you've got this skill to help people tap into their power and have um really like enhance the impact that they're able to make, then there's a real ethical question, isn't there? Of like, yeah, which is what you just said, you know, about okay, so whose voices am I going to amplify?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it became a responsibility.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. And so I do have a powerful skill set. And I am going to be discerning about who I give them.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, good, yes. And now this is so interesting, Thea, because it it really echoes my experience. Was you know, when I trained in the method I trained in RTT, I was like flipping hell, this is powerful. And so then I'm like thinking to myself, this is so powerful. If I kind of took this wit and overlaid it with something that's an important cause that I believe in, you know, where is the maximum like combination of power gonna be? Yeah, that makes me feel that I'm in the right place doing the right thing. So it feels to me like that's a similar thing to what a similar process to what you've been through. And maybe um, yeah, I wonder, maybe people who are earlier, who are listening, who are like earlier in their journey, maybe, or just kind of starting out in this. Yeah, that's an interesting idea, isn't it? Like get your skills, get skilled up, know where your power is, and then choose where you want to take it.

SPEAKER_01:

Totally. I remember the moment when I realized that so viscerally that um it was it's going back a long time now, but I had this high playing high paying client, he was actually in investment and um a young guy I mean we were both young, but we were similar ages. Very like probably early, late twenties, early thirties. And um he hated his job. But uh I had the sense that he was doing it because he should, not because he wanted to, and his dad paid for my coaching, which told me another nudge of like, oh you are doing this because you feel you should, you're being supported to not be yourself. Is what it felt is what it felt like, and so he had an inauthenticity snag in his soul, right? Not aligned, but he's like, Well, look, can you just can you can you just make it look like I care about what I'm talking about seriously? Those exact words. Oh my goodness, and it like it was a bit punch in the gut, yeah, but I was at the very beginnings of soul-led speaking and speaking flow work, the very beginnings of it, and that but my my integrity felt the punch in the gut, yeah, and I was like, oh that oh, I don't know, I don't want to teach people to lie and perform and fake. Yeah, I'm not interested in that at all, and interestingly, my work had already shifted from the way that I was taught in like oh, I was taught really well and really beautifully. Uh, because when you teach actors, you teach them to connect to aliveness, really, in many ways. And um, but it's a slightly different expression um because it's other people's words, if you like. But um what he didn't have was a connection to what he wanted to say, and so it didn't matter how many structures I tried to put in place, how many sort of tools, but I could no longer, and I think perhaps had it been a few years earlier, I might have done a better job at teaching him to fake it, but I could no longer teach him how to fake it. It was like that I just couldn't do it, and so we had a few awkward sessions together. He got some change, but not the change I was used to getting with my clients. And I just I remember so clearly, can you teach me how to make it look like I care about what I'm talking about? And that was it. That was the last ill-fit client I ever took.

SPEAKER_03:

That's really interesting, Thave, because it's like the the act, I mean, that's acting, isn't it? Yeah like that that's where you came from. It's quite interesting. It's like now you're doing the opposite, you're not allowing people to act. Or maybe you are, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe there's an maybe there's an element of no, I don't, and actually I pull it up in my sessions and I hold a space where the invitation is be real, yeah. Like make yourself and somebody else feel something, right? Like allow the alieness into the room, the energetic field to wake up so that the resonance is there, right? Resonance is a is a frequency-based word. So yeah, if you don't allow the energetic field to move, then the the energetic field is is dead, it's dormant.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And so the sensing, feeling, resonating field is not awake, which means that you're basically having an inert in a interaction. Yeah, right. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03:

We really know. Well, I mean we I mean we know.

SPEAKER_01:

Do we all know? It's exhausting.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it is exhausting.

SPEAKER_01:

It's really exhausting because when you have to put energy out, you know, think about what you want to say, connect to all the things it might need to connect to. Yeah. Notice the person in front of you, notice yourself. Yes. Never enter an energetic exchange where you are um fed back as well as fed feeding energy. So you you receive and send in an energetic interaction. Um but in an inert interaction, you just put energy out. Yes. None of you, neither of you get anything back, and everyone is depleted from the interaction.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. This is so interesting. I'm absolutely hanging on every word that you're saying. I love it. And the energy is seriously alive here, and hopefully everyone listening can get that too. But um this, but and this is just, I get, oh, I don't know where to go. I'm so excited. I can't find the words. Um so it's it's bringing to mind an experience I had recently with um a man where I was, it was a professional context, and we were kind of we'd been brought together to have, we'd been given an exercise where we had to ask each other quest certain questions and answer them and then feedback on the experience. And I just had this experience there of like whenever he spoke, and this is so unusual for me, but whenever he spoke, I just switched off completely and I had no idea what he'd said, and I was just like, oh my god, I just keep doing this, and this is not my natural way of being, you know, like my work requires me to go like to the depths of somebody's psyche and pull out the thing that needs pulling out, and this particular person just there was something about the way that he was speaking that just I just shut down.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it does shut us down, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And you're not taking anything on. No, you're not actually there, right? But I've made a commitment with myself that if I ever miss something somebody says, I ask them to repeat it because I don't want to miss anything anyone ever says, if I'm in a one-to-one exchange. I mean, I wouldn't do that if they're on stage or something, of course. But but so with this man, I said, I'm really sorry, but I just zoned out for a second there. Would you mind repeating? Like, um, and it was that was really interesting. And then from what don't what came of that was that he he acknowledged for himself that he hadn't been connected to what he had said.

SPEAKER_01:

I love that. That's so it's so wonderful that he was honest about that. I love that you called it out without calling it out. Because it was my fault in basically. You called both of you in too. Yes. We're not here, are we?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we're not connecting. And then how was it after that? Well, it was a very short interaction, and I never like you know, it was just a few questions, and then that was that was the end.

SPEAKER_01:

But um so interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Um but yeah, we it there was a moment of like mutual appreciation for the fact that we had then come together and that he wasn't he was talking about his vision, basically, what he wanted, and he wasn't connecting to it. And I and I wasn't connect, I couldn't connect to it because he wasn't connected to it. And I think this is my one of my particular fortees is or I mean, like if you want to call it that, but like I hear when people speak from their heart, and if they're not connecting to their heart, it just doesn't land. I can't, I can't kind of I just feel like what's happening? I'm this you're not even speaking a language I understand here. So yeah, but then having made that commitment to myself to um nudge towards more heart connection, that that yeah, it's beautiful. That's great.

SPEAKER_01:

You act you acted as an invitation in the world to presence, which is beautiful, yeah. And I, you know, I don't know you very well, but I recognize that you're highly empathetic and a deep feeling sensing person, it it pours off you, and um, you know, it's also what allows you to do your work as it's what allows me to do mine. We're in the we're in the business of sensing and feeling conference and congruence in people and how we work with people. So, you know, we have we have high sensitivity on these pieces, yes, and um what's beautiful about that is that you then would have the capacity to to invite him to come into presence, but we almost everybody in fact I'm gonna say every every human being, we're so our bodies are so intelligent, so intelligent, and they notice the energetic changes, whether you're registering it or not, we notice the energetic shifts, we notice when someone is there or is not there, and it doesn't matter how numb you've become, on some level, your being will register that. And what I love about bringing aliveness to speaking is we bring aliveness to our interactions, and it it's actually a way of honoring each other when we interact, yeah, quiet way of just honoring each other. I see you, you're worthy of presence, you are always worthy of presence, yes, and you will always be worthy of presence. And there's something so deep in offering that to somebody that at the bare minimum you will offer somebody your presence and your energy, even if they can't meet you there. But you will be an invitation to presence in the world, and I think that ripple effect is humongous.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah, me too. Yes, and worthiness. So this is a really interesting topic because so many people don't feel worthy, do they? Like that that fundamentally something's gone wrong at some point, and they've picked up an idea that they that they're not worthy and they don't deserve. And so then, do you find this with people when they come to you? Do you do you do they confront their unworthiness?

SPEAKER_01:

So I'm very, very careful with the boundary, with these boundaries because we're entering therapeutic.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

And um, it's not my place, it's not my training, it's not my skill set, therefore it's unethical for me to have these conversations, and I'm really careful with that boundary. I don't mind some of that being in the room. I don't mind if you come through, I don't mind if we even name why they're there. Um, I can hold all of that, but I'm not going to unpack it with somebody. Yeah, it's not ethical of me to do that, and so um, yes is the short answer to the question. Yeah, one hundred pee that is in the room. In the center of the room, right? Um, so I ran a workshop last week in person, just the best.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And um I did my three centers alignment exercise, which is aligning the gut, heart, and head. The energetic intelligence of your body. And the part the people who were in the workshop, it was so beautiful. They stopped afterwards, they put they like they had tears in their eyes, quite a few of them had tears in their eyes. And um, one of them said to me, I haven't felt this feels really I feel really powerful, and I haven't felt this powerful for months. And I think I did that exercise in the whole thing, was um, because it can it can expand and contract. That version was less than 10 minutes, the whole meditation. And um, I did three flow activations in sequence, and the final one was the gut heart head alignment, and um her whole posture had changed, her eyes had brightened. She was a woman who came in with a lot of like cloud, right? Um, overwhelm, just the overwhelm. And um she she was just a different person, it was remarkable. And the word she said was, I feel really powerful, and it was like, Yeah, babe, okay, yeah, you do, and you deserve to feel the powerful, and it's always in there, it's always with you and actually easier to access than you might realize. That's the the power and beauty of tuning in, and it's so much easier said than done if you've got care responsibilities, if you've got overwhelming work, just uh engaging with anything to do in the global sphere, uh global political sphere is just like so harsh, and um and yet she was amazed at how quick she had accessed so much, resourced herself to access so much of her own existing in the moment, right then, power.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm getting this idea, Thea, that maybe you could give us a condensed condensed version of it.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe I could.

SPEAKER_03:

Would you be up for that? Yeah, wouldn't it be great if people who are listening could get a little taste of what that might be like? It would be an absolute honour. Do you want to do it now? Or do you want to do it later?

SPEAKER_01:

We can do it now and it could be a really nice little midpoint in our conversation, or we could finish with it towards the end of the conversation and leave people with that so that when the podcast finished they can then roll from that place.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I was thinking maybe at the end would be beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, great. Okay, let's let's do that then.

SPEAKER_01:

So um there's a meeting five minutes, five whole minutes minimum.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, okay, great. Goodness me, time is flying.

SPEAKER_01:

Hasn't it?

SPEAKER_03:

I just Louise. Okay, all right. So let me just because I love that your whole thing is speaking flow, and I feel like we are flowing in the speaking. So flowing, so flowing, and um sadly, time is not limited, uh is not unlimited, and we have things that need to happen, and people listening also have things that need to happen. So um just looking at my notes, going which way shall we go here? Uh there's a few things, so maybe I'll ask a few things and we'll try and not flow too much with the like.

SPEAKER_01:

Turning flow level down, it's current, it is just filling a glass of water.

SPEAKER_03:

Beautiful. Okay, so you mentioned before about your in your workshop at Summer Camp, um, the first one, when you would said about um introducing yourself without the cringe. And I feel like that is another thing that people might who are listening might find really helpful. And you talked about joy and love, and that made my ears prick up. So, how in a you know, glass-sized flow, can we do that? Mmm, mm-hmm, glass-sized.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. That's possible, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

What the headlines?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, absolutely. So um uh the first thing to do is what I call my flow activations. So there's um there's there's five of them that you can do, um, and they vary in length and depth depending on what time you've got. We'll be doing one at the one of them at the end, which is the gut heart head, which is the one I really recommend tuning into because it brings your whole body, it awakens your body's intelligence and your um integrity, basically. So, because your heart is what you care about, what you're passionate about, um, what you love, your head is what the place of creativity and possibility, the what-if place, imagination, and your gut is um what you need and what is driving you, what's moving you. And so they have different prompts that you can work with, and I've sort of spoken to them then. Um and uh the when you're doing your introduction, if you have stacked your gut heart head, and then you speak from or into what's alive for you in your work at the moment. So the ultimate thing is someone says some version of what do you do, right? What's your work? No, no, no, whatever. Someone says what do you do, you answer with why you do it. You don't answer what, you answer why. And you start from aliveness. But at the moment, I'm loving doing right, because when we answer with when do we answer a what with a what, it becomes a transaction of information exchange. So we only we can stay in the layer of information, not the layer of um connection. So when you answer a what with a why, you immediately shift the conversation into the layer of values, alignment, and resonance.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a sneaky little trick. It works a treat. And even if you only say one sentence, you want that sentence to be something that sparks a question.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and then you go deeper, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. So I'll give you an example. I used to say I'm a speaking coach, and people say, Oh, right for public public speaking, or oh what, right for sp for um uh speech, speech and language therapy, and I'd be like, no, sort of, more like you know, so we're we're still in the information layer, we're still clarifying. So they're asking clarifying questions, which is information layer, information layer, you've not actually connected yet. Basically, it's the equivalent of having one foot back, right? They're not leaning in yet, neither of you are really leaning in yet, and that's cool. Most interactions finish there, right? Got information. I'm interested in that information. Yes, no, let's move on. So when you answer with a why, which would be um, I help people who give a shit talk about what they care about from a place of energy, not a place of skill. I help people who are passionate about changing the way we live together and thrive together talk about that at any scale. Immediately people lean in, I feel the change, I see their eyes light up, I feel them want to ask a um not we're not in the clarifying layer anymore, we're in the layer of connection.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And so now this is a uh they want a question that gives me a doorway into how they want to come into my world. Yeah, and I answer their question. Because that's what's resonant for them in my in relation to my world. I could go anywhere. But what I've done is spark their curiosity, and now we're in a connected interaction. Whether it lasts one minute or 20 minutes is irrelevant, the foot is in.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_01:

Presence has come.

SPEAKER_03:

So we're answering when when somebody's asking what you do, you're not answering with a job title, you're answering with a meaningful why statement. Like why you do it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Beautiful. I love that. And then it opens the door for connection. Yeah, I totally hear you.

SPEAKER_01:

And what was interesting in um I I did I've done this workshop again since summer camp, but um more recently, like a couple of weeks ago. Um, because that was a year ago, and that was the first time I delivered that form, and now it's moved on. And what was so beautiful about doing it a couple of weeks ago was um the person, uh one of the pairs, they were doing their introductions. So, what do you do? And then answering with why you do it. And she started off brilliantly. She gave a great why, and you saw the person, the other person, like, I I want to ask something, I'm interested. Yes, and then she panicked, the person who was giving her introduction, and then started reading off a list of a list of information. Yeah, you know, like so. I do that with um like a podcast and I do workshops, and I was like, uh Yeah. They haven't asked you how you do it right there right now. No, and she said she noticed in herself immediately she zoomed up into her head, she'd left her body from our beautiful flow activation and panicked. I need to prove that I'm professional. Right into the head, and then just started regurgitating information at this person, and the person who was receiving it fed back because I always do the feedback round is where did you when where and when and how did you feel the aliveness? And when did it change? When did it leave?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Feedback is on aliveness, not information. Yeah, and um the person said back, yeah, as soon as you went into your list, I felt like a wall had come up.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's exactly what I experienced with this man, isn't it? Same thing. It's like I think I just can't, and I've always and and this is really interesting, Tian, because in my own personal story, I as a younger person in my 20s, I never went to university. I was just like, I had a bit of a thing, a story about how I wasn't very intellectual. And so as soon as that happened, and somebody was up in information and intellect, and I was gone. I was like, and then what I did to myself was, oh, you know, stop being myself. You're a this is because you're the problem, you know. And so I like my capacity for actually engaging was of course completely shut down. And I was making it worse. So I think this, like, you know, and my work, it is a it's such a beautiful kind of complement to yours because it deals with the healing that gets somebody to wholeness and um, you know, why we block ourselves, why we whip ourselves, and you know, all the things that we do to ourselves that stop us from being present effectively. And um because yeah, and oh, I don't know where I was going with this, uh, but but like in when I was younger, yeah, my my partner and I met, we were both teachers teaching English as a foreign language, and um we we were in the staff room and we'd have this joke that we'd be given a list of tasks that we had to do, and we and then I'd just be like, uh sorry, sorry, you know, I just couldn't take on board all the information. And we had this like joke where Betty always needs a Betty break, you know, like it's just so funny. And and I think that when I've come to when I've done all the healing I've done, now I'm able to just be okay with exactly how I am and realize it's not a weakness. And I think, you know, the fact that I and I guess maybe people listening might have I say this in the hope that somebody will, you know, that it might spark a something that we need to be okay with how we are.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. And we're really bumping up against the worthiness piece here.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

And um oh one one moment. Um shall we carry on?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So bumping up against the worthiness piece.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, the worthiness piece because when n the this this woman in my workshop, she zoomed up into her head because she said panicked that she had to prove that she was professional, which is a piece of I'm not worthy of being here because I don't fit the professional thing. If I say the thing that's more soul-led, I now look like I'm unprofessional. And that this all this panic was going on in her in that split second. Yes. Um, and that's her relationship with doing work that's outside of the normal uh professional tracks because she's doing quite interesting work that isn't worky, it's very, very emotional. Yes, what she's doing, and um I what your story resonates with me so deeply. Um, that feeling of I I also never felt that I was smart enough or intellectual enough, and yeah, I was always attracted to very intelligent people. Yes. Yes, right, my intelligence shows up in a really different way. Yes, so I felt really stupid going through school. I did go to university, but I did fine art, so because I knew I was creative, so I followed that, but I nearly failed every piece of writing. My dyslexia nearly cost me my masters. Um but someone passed me with 51. 50 is a fail. They gave me a fifty, someone gave me one point over in review, and uh my dissertation, I read it again. It was a piece of shit. It was awful, but I was good at the practical. I never wanted to write an essay about it. I just wanted to do it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01:

Amen. In the panic, I used to feel I would get really defensive, burst into tears because I couldn't express myself, I couldn't access the intelligent way I wanted to say it. But that was all because of the the the knocks, the traumas, the stories, that I I'm not intelligent, I'm not articulate, I'm not um academic. And yet I keep putting myself in conversations where I want to discuss things deeply, critically, yes, intellectually, and vibrantly, and in the layers of um complexity, and yeah, for a long time, all the way through my twenties, like most of the way through my twenties, just bursting into tears with frustration. Yeah, like yeah, and I don't have that anymore. I never feel that anymore. Beautiful, and that is the healing, you know, and that's and that's the and speaking flow is part of some of that tools that help you access your own brilliance.

SPEAKER_03:

Beautiful. So by my reckoning, I think we've got five minutes of chat, and then we'll do your and then we'll go for your um we'll activation.

SPEAKER_01:

And then we'll have five minutes after.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. All right, let's do that then.

SPEAKER_01:

Then you can feed back on the exercise. Okay, great. I can ask you a so what do you do? And you can answer with a well, why I do it is because. So we're gonna do it, I think. Yeah, I'm up for whatever. Okay, lovely. So it's a guided meditation for a few minutes. So for those of you doing it at home, just make sure you're somewhere comfortable, i.e., not driving, but um, you can actually still do it with your eyes open. Um, so I've had people do it on the bus or on their walk to where they're going and just have it in their ears. So then you can still allow it to come into your body. But if you can, closing your eyes and placing your hands on your heart. So we're going to align the gut, heart, and head centers. These are the centers of the body that hold so much intelligence and so much wisdom, and they will nudge you as to what to say. And they stack together to create the foundation of your integrity. The head thinking and creativity, the heart feeling and sensing, and the gut is um doing and being. So bringing your awareness, using your breath and breathing into your heart centre. So placing your uh your awareness and your attention there. Taking a moment to let mine and Betty's conversation to just drop down as you tune in. And bring to mind something you really care about, something that's really meaningful for you, which might be your purpose-led work, or it might be something that's got real aliveness for you today if you want to work with that. But choose a theme that you want to work with. And Betty, I'm going to encourage you to work with your work, your most meaningful work in the world, so that we can speak into it afterwards. And ask your heart centre, what do I care about here? What do I really love about this work, this place, this theme? And with each new breath, amplify it. Amplify that feeling, the care, the love, and allow it all to bubble up. What do I care about here? And it might turn up as images, words, sensations, colours, phrases, pictures, stories, experiences. Just allow it all to bubble up and move through. Keep it moving, keep breathing, keep breathing back into the heart center. Let the intelligence come alive. Almost like opening a box of butterflies. Let them move. You don't need to remember them, you don't need to hold on to them, but you're bringing the you're bringing this into your field. So it's with you. Beautiful. And just allow that to all be there. You don't need to do anything with all of these pieces that have come up. Moving your hands up to your head. Placing both hands on your head the place of creativity and possibility. Using your breath to move your awareness there. Feeling the freshness of this place. And ask yourself what's possible from this care that I have? What could be possible? This is your big what if. And take off the the guardrails and just allow yourself to dream. Freshness and possibility. I often have a sense that this big space opens up and I can go anywhere. And again, it might turn up as thoughts, feelings, sensations, stories, experiences. Allow them to all flatter around you without gathering them all holding them or remembering them. Breathe in that freshness of that possibility. Wonderful. You might even find yourself smiling already. And then bringing your hands down to your gut, just below your belly button, your lower centre. This is the place of need, safety, and drive. It's your belly fire. We have the language. Breathing into that place in your body, using your breath intentionally to move your awareness. And from here, with the care that you have, and the possibility that's available. What are you moved to do? What is your body's intelligence and its gut wisdom invite you to do to do, to create action? What's moving you here? I often move a little bit when I'm in all of these sentences, but the gut always makes me roll. Roll around. And again, it might come up as images, words, colours, sensations, experiences, memories, and nudge, and knowing. Wonderful. So to close this practice, and you can scan your hands up through the three centers. You're going to breathe into the gut, move it up to the heart, up into the head, and then breathe out, back down through them. But you're connecting them all like they're all all on the same um the same uh same space, same line, same track. Breathing air into them and then settling down through them, breathing in through all three, and back down. And to finish with a feeling of a deep thank you to your body's intelligence, thanking it for being with you, for showing up for you now, and for guiding you. And bring yourself back. Ready to speak with your body's intelligence.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah, I could listen to you all day. Oh that's cute. That's beautiful. Gosh, how was it for you if you're listening? Um I really want to know.

SPEAKER_01:

Um yeah, take a moment to journal to what's come up, like cat like really note down the aliveness for each place.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, please do.

SPEAKER_01:

They're real gifts. They're real gifts from you.

SPEAKER_03:

Real gifts. And do you know what's really interesting is the last um episode, which I only published a couple of days ago. I think even the snippet that I selected, it's with Alex Baisley of the Big Dream programme, who's such a wonderful man. And the thing that he said that I put front and center uh in the intro of the podcast was your calling is a message from your body to your to your mind, or something like that. And I'd never thought about it like that, and that's so funny that that synchronicity of how he said that, and I kind of heard it in a new way, and then you've just done something that was basically an activation of what he said, is that's weird, yeah. They're dancing, it's it's this is magic. Magic is happening live here in the room.

SPEAKER_01:

Magic, it's uh it's the alignment, you know. Yes, goodness me. Oh, that's wonderful. So if we may, yes, um, I'm gonna ask you, so what do you do? And you're just gonna answer with aliveness, the aliveness that you have for the work that you're doing, your most meaningful work. And you can start with what I love about my work is, what I'm loving at the moment is. So you can sort of what's in what lights me up at the moment. So all these prompts, you know, to speak into the aliveness and share us a sentence or two about what's alive for you. So what do you do, Betty?

SPEAKER_03:

Beautiful, well Theo, thanks for asking. What I do and what um what I do is I heal the wounds of individuality, which brings families back together, communities back together, society back together.

SPEAKER_01:

And while you're already I want to ask questions, so if you stopped there, you'd find that we would go straight into a depth conversation.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01:

And I'm like, oh, wow, that's profound. Like, how do you do that? So now I'm asking you how to tell me. I love that. You didn't tell me what you do or how you do it, you just shared your why. And I really want to know more.

SPEAKER_03:

So now we're we're in. I love that. Thank you for that. That's beautiful. And the thing that came up is the aliveness in me, or like I mean, it was beautiful it was a beautiful experience. Do you want me to can I talk about what happened when I have we got time to do that? Or do you do we need to stop? Um very quickly in a nutshell, what what happened with me was I, yeah. Well, I realized that it was about healing the wounds of the individual, which which ripples out into the different levels of society. And then the images that were coming, and I was just I mean, I was trying not to cry audibly while you were doing. So I was like, keep quiet, keep quiet, because I hadn't put myself on mute. Um, but I was crying as I re as I saw these images, and what I loved actually was when you said like let them be butterflies and don't because I was holding and it was making me cry. And then as soon as you said let them be butterflies, I just was like, oh no, they can move, it can move, it's okay, and that was really helpful. So thank you for that. And then um, yeah, I just had this, I had these images of just communities coming together, eating together, you know, in a in a village hall or um in a communal space, and I just like seeing that and like community ceremonies and celebrations, you know, communities coming together. That's what I saw. And then up in my head, the possibility was like recently I've been just completely by well, who knows why, but I've been working with GPs and doctors, yeah. And it's not something I sought out, um, but I saw my work, this kind of work being recommended by GPs, you know, and I saw a whole like the possibility of every GP in the country knowing that when people come to them they could actually direct them to a different level of healing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, healing the wound of individuality, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I really I love those words that you chose in uh quotation marks. You know, the this is the beauty of the flow activations and speaking flow itself is um you no longer have to come up with what to say, and it it takes it takes such a weight off you, like yeah, I don't never know what to say. You literally don't need to know once you drop in, the words are gifted to your mouth.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, they just arrive from your body, a gift from your body to your mouth.

SPEAKER_01:

You just find them in your mouth, and there you are, just saying this amazing thing, yeah. And I just think that's so cool.

SPEAKER_03:

So cool, it's so cool. It's a little bit of magic that we can all really magical, and it's like all within you, yeah. Is it is like listen if you're listening now, this is all within you right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you know, we'll do it. We can there's no one who can't do it, however, there is a caveat and it's an important one. If you don't give a shit, it won't work. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's the same with my work. Like, I've had I've had a person come to me but didn't know what they wanted, they didn't they didn't know, and it didn't work.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so at which point they are not the best practitioner for them at the moment. And if someone comes to me and they have they they have no purpose, they have no idea what they want to do with their lives, I'm like, go see a life coach. Right. Yeah, then come to me to help you talk about it. But like, I'm not the we're coming in at the wrong entry point here. Do you know what I mean? So if it if you haven't got something you want to say, speaking flow won't activate.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it requires the energy, the energy to work with, the energy of care and passion and drive and possibility, because they they're an energy in the body that wants to find words that wants to be expressed, and you're its channel.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm like grinning from ear to ear. If you're listening and not not watching the video, you won't be seeing my enormous grin as I'm listening to Thea. And um I think to finish, Thea, I mean, there's a couple of things you wanted to mention about your work, if um, which I'd love to invite you to do. And there's just something that a quote that I took from your website, which I want to read to people listening, which is speaking isn't just a skill, it's a way of shaping culture. And I love that. And that's like, yeah, so I'm so excited about that. And now, would you like to tell us, um, in as much time as you have available, about how people can come and receive this work?

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely, I would love to.

SPEAKER_03:

And what's alive in you?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, right. Um, following my own uh instructions. Yeah. So, yes, there are two things I would love to share with your audience. One of them is the up-and-coming program that I have, which is called Rising Tide, which is using speaking flow and shifting the way that you speak because you're ready to speak in a different way. You know that the systems we live in are broken, you're working to change them, and speaking is part of the infrastructure that we need to shift. The very way we relate to speaking and speaking about what matters to us is part of what needs to change. And so it's for um heart-led people, uh intentional and purpose-led entrepreneurs, movement leaders, community leaders. Um if you have something you want to talk about, I want to help you have influence with integrity. And so that's what speaking flow is about. It's four weeks in November, and I'm gathering 30 change makers to completely change the frequency of speaking up for change. So that's that. That's rising tide. We'll pop the link in the notes for you. Um, the spaces are available now, and that's for November 2025, depending on when you're listening to this. There'll be more in the future. So, whichever one, wherever you come in. And then the other piece I really want to share with people is um I've had this nudge from my body to start, and I've done it in a few different ways, but this one is I think the most brave I've done, which is the speaking salons, and it's a conversation club for people who give a shit to practice talking about our most charged and tender collective themes. So these are themes like climate change, like war, like social justice, like racism, um, poverty, they're all of the big charge themes that um you you feel poked by when they might maybe that you feel emotionally flooded when you try and talk about it, or you get really angry, or someone says it and you feel like you have to shut you like you shut down so that you don't have a fight with somebody. Um, or these these are charged subjects, and I want to hold a practice space for us to practice having them. Even when you don't agree, you can have a generative conversation that leads to connection. So even if you don't agree, this is not about learning how to have conflict conversations, it's not about learning how to convince people to change their mind or prove that you're right. It's none of that, it's not a debating practice, it's how to have generative, connected conversations that lead to connection even if you don't see eye to eye. So, how to hold these with your dad, your colleague, your mate, um you know, these people in your everyday life. Yeah, so it's something I'm very passionate about, and it's uh donation-based, so you can come with whatever your resource capacity is, and they're in the evening um rather than in our work time. And um they're once a month, a monthly conversation club for people who give a shit. Come and practice how to talk about our most tender themes. Umline. It's gonna ripple out.

SPEAKER_03:

It's gonna ripple out. It's definitely gonna ripple out. And you can tune in from wherever you are in the world and um evening time, Brit British time that is.

SPEAKER_01:

And if you have a community and you want me to come and host one of these in your community, then do invite me in. If you hold uh a commun like a large community where having the learning to have these conversations would be helpful, I mean they're just helpful for anyone to have these conversations, to be honest. Um, I'm open to invitations in person in the UK. Yeah, probably, but not necessarily. Yeah, um, I just want to hold these spaces in as many places as possible because for me that's part of how I contribute to the way we change our systems, and speaking is part of the infrastructure we need to shift.

SPEAKER_03:

Beautiful, so beautiful. It's been such a pleasure having you here. I feel like we could have carried on talking for at least a few more hours. So maybe you'll have to come back again and we can do a bit more. Um, it's been such a pleasure, and there's yeah, there are questions they've got on my page that we never got to. Um, but it was an absolute joy to be here with you, and thank you so much for that lovely activation that you um kindly offered us. I certainly tapped into a clarity. I mean, things seems that were there, but yeah, just just giving it permission to just rise up was beautiful. Yeah. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01:

You're welcome. I'm gonna be putting the flow flower activations up on my website as a download.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, brilliant.

SPEAKER_01:

Great, and so that is something I'm gonna be putting together soon for that people can get hold of. So yeah, drop onto the mailing list via my website. Brilliantvoice.com. All that'll be in the notes, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so working with working with voice.com. Beautiful, and we'll put the links in the show notes. Thea, it's been such a joy having you. Thank you so much for being a guest.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you so much, Betty, for such a rich conversation. Um, it's been a it's been a real pleasure. What a lovely way to start my Friday.

SPEAKER_03:

Hi everyone, Betty again. How how amazing. How amazing was Thea. I loved that conversation. And you know, if you're getting goosebumps, hearing, you know, connecting, maybe you enjoyed that meditation, connecting with your power, you want to find out more about Thea, and I really recommend you do. She's incredible. Go to workingwithvoice.com. And if you want to hear about find out about how to enroll in rising tide, which is her program, her group program, four weeks long for 30 change makers. Um, speak boldly, influence widely, and shift the system, then go uh go to workingwithvoice.com forward slash rising underscore tide. You can find the links in the show notes. And yeah, uh, she says here, we need passionate people like you who give a shit and carry a message for change. And I we're Thea and I are so on the same page here. We are preaching from the same um, what do they say? Hymn sheet. I don't know what the what that um expression is, but we're yeah, you've got you have got a message in you that needs to be shared with the world. You know, come to me to remove the obstacles, to do the healing so that you um heal the wound, because there's usually some wounds that stop us from from talking about the thing that is so integral, that is so close to our hearts. It needs to, you need to be ready to speak up. And when you're ready, then um when when you've done the healing work and you're ready to speak up, this this program with Thea sounds incredible. So yeah, find out more about rising tide at workingwithvoice.com forward slash rising underscore tide. And if you want to find out more about me, you can book yourself a get a gift session with me, and we can dig in to see what might be in the way of you accessing your power. You can find me at true wealthwithbetty.com. Either way, whatever you do, wherever you are, whatever your mission is, whatever you're working on, whatever you're longing for, is my heartfelt wish for you that you clear the obstacles and you access the power and the energy that will support you in birthing what is yours to birth and bringing that to the world because my god, the world is in need of us all right now, and we all have a part to play. This is my personal belief. We all have a part to play, and whatever your story is, that's your story to share to inspire others. Um, and I hope that you'll do that. And if you need support, reach out to whoever you feel is the person to support you, whether it's Thea, whether it's me, whether it's someone else. Um, I hope that you do that. I'm supporting you, cheering you on in your mission all the way. Um okay, thanks so much for listening, and I'll catch you next time. And as always, it really helps me if you would share this episode. If you enjoyed it, if there was something here for you and you think it will inspire someone else, please do share it. It really helps. Please subscribe to the podcast. Please send me recommendations of people you'd love to hear me interview on the podcast. I love to hear from you, and um yeah, I want to co create it to make it make it enjoyable for everybody. It's your show too. All right, sending you all so much love. I'll catch you next time.